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Post by silrev on Apr 27, 2004 22:11:37 GMT -5
K, this is a serious issue... Clan count is 19 (I dunno Vin's status really) and when we level we will be able to add 5 people max.
Now I know there are many Pestilence members that have been waiting to get in. There are also new friends of Order of Chaos that want to join. Obviously we can't accomodate everyone and it is unfair to make people wait even longer for level 4 when 1) that will be a VERY long wait 2) a few have been waiting long already.
If everyone agrees, I will break off and recreate an ally to Order of Chaos. Anyone is welcome to join Pestilence, especially previous pest members.
I will be able to make a level 2 guild no problem if I get help with the money.
Pros:
- Doubles the size of the current guild in a sense.
- More old friends are reunited
- Another ally that will be useful in sieges
- Frees up space in OoC to add new strong levellers looking for a home.
Cons:
- Communication between guilds won't be as easy. PMs will have to be used to get guild hunts going.
- Possible false feelings of betrayal causes conflicts between the two?
What I would need from the pestilence members that want to do this:
- Loyalty, Honor, and Dedication... like always. You know my style, stick to it like you have for me in the past.
- Try to support your guild as much as you can to make my efforts worth while =P. As much as I like leading, spending a lot of hard earned SP and Adena without support from the collective - comes in forms of just levelling whenever you can, adena help, and assisting the younger players when possible.
- Another Proof of Blood hunt, shouldn't be as hard as the last time since a few of us will be 40+. Any help from the OoC would be welcome too hunt BQ if they would like.
Thats about it.
If you want to do this we will all have to leave at the same time so that I can add everyone at the same time the guild is created.
What do you all think?
If you could, post the names of who has yet to be added, their current lvl/class/name, and the names of the current clan members who would help me with this.
Members:
Silrev / Swordsinger (Leader)
Cynd / Silver Ranger
Dscythe / Abyss Walker
Nasurin / Silver Ranger
Luinar / Phantom Ranger
Arkhar (yet to be added)
Fizban (yet to be added)
Auxie2 (yet to be added)
Zellgore (yet to be added)
Kil_rathi (yet to be added)
_Defiler_ (yet to be added)
Yakai (yet to be added)
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Post by DScythe on Apr 27, 2004 22:23:00 GMT -5
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Post by Dan on Apr 27, 2004 22:48:33 GMT -5
We gotta use the same logo if you do create a sister clan
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Post by PsyQuon on Apr 27, 2004 23:21:22 GMT -5
Yeah I posted another message about this. There was a great suggestion about naming all the sister clans to
"the order of _____" for example the order of pestilence.
More unity etcetc. And also to improve comunication between the guilds we should randomly or if people want to do it themselves take at least some people from the order of chaos right now.
Of course same logo and etc is a must as I see it.
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Post by alex on Apr 27, 2004 23:25:40 GMT -5
fuck i became an orc mage for nothing
damn all you archers/ dagger types !!!
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Post by DScythe on Apr 27, 2004 23:35:50 GMT -5
I'm diffently uip for the logo thing to show connections between the guilds but I don't like the whole "Order of __". Basically because i think it will get a bit clumsy looking and "tacky?" in my opinion anyway. There needs to be connection to the guild but a logo is enough.
Plus with a logo it makes other clans question our alliance "Hmm they have the same logo.... are they allied? Maybe I shouldn't attack them...." But with a joint name it's like "Look at those guys, there diffently allied, HEY! DScythe is in theri clan, I hate that prick. Let's target all Order Of people at the siege!" etc etc ;D
My 2 pennys worths
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Post by PsyQuon on Apr 27, 2004 23:38:25 GMT -5
You can't see other peeps guild names unless they have that extra green text right?
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Post by Nila on Apr 28, 2004 0:37:53 GMT -5
Here's the deal...
Everyone must add all allies names to the friendlist - makes communication a lot easier, since now you actually know if people are online.
Weekly update upon the guilds status' done by the leaders upon this very forum. (And if not the leaders, someone capable of doing so)
To boost communication as well.
Whether I'll go 5 days without a guild again or just stay in ooc, I don't really know.
I have friends in both guilds, so it is a hard decision.
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Post by PsyQuon on Apr 28, 2004 0:50:21 GMT -5
I think this is just what we dont want to see if we're gonna start a sister clan. People shouldn't be torn between which guild they should be in. I believe unity is the key here.
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Post by Nasurin on Apr 28, 2004 1:33:23 GMT -5
You know I am in =p
I believe the 5th tab in the chat is "Alliance" in Chronicle 1 (You know- Shout, Trade, Party, Clan tabs), although I am not sure what it is used for, the names seems to talk for it self.
The leaving thing shouldn't be a problem, unless that function is bugged and we can't leave with the Leader's permission.
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Post by Goro on Apr 28, 2004 5:16:16 GMT -5
Unfortunately I dont think any of us understand how to do the 'leave with leader's permission thing' ... second the alliance chat is inactive if the guild is not in an alliance, and forming alliances is a clan lvl 5 ability, which is quite a far way's off - so any alliances or sister clan structure we come up with will only be virtual agreed upon allianced until one day one of the clans hit lvl 5 - another signifigant factor is that castle sieges can start at lvl 4 clan, without the actual alliance only a single clan can own and gain the benefits of the castle and its services. As far as the Order Of ___ thing goes, I like it and i think the person that came up with it is a genius!!! .... j/k, hehe. Anyways I agree that it may start to seem somewhat tacky, but then I find the vast majority of guild names in every game to be at least somewhat tacky or lame anyways. I personally disagree with DScythe's pros and cons of the Order of convention because frankly, especially after lvl 3 with tags and guildwars and stuff, I'm sure that our guild and alliances will be made clearly known to all the high lvl guilds that may challenge or be friendly with us anyways, I doubt that too many guilds that will actually be high lvl enough to kill us wont know our alliances, and if they don't - i'm sure that at least certain people in the clan will make a name for us.. hehe  I also agree about the point of harmony - this talk of sister clans has already started talk of 'which clan i would rather join' and inevitably there will be some comparison of which of the clans is better or stronger - i belive that simular naming conventions will maybe somewhat help ease this, i'm sure our goal is such that all the clans should be considered equally and all - this should definitely also be the impression we want to give to any new people we want to recruit - lots of more dedicated players may be put off by the thought that they are only being let into a lesser sub clan compared to a main clan or something to that degree, hell with the talk of 2 clans i myself have thought about it - i mean at least right now, it seems that the pestilance members make up a majority of the higher lvl members in the clan, especially if snoop and sparon are to lead other sister clans - as someone suggested random split of members would alleviate this problem but I dont think that's realistic as I'm sure many of us wish to stick with certain friends. Ok so anyways all that being said, my suggestions are to have simular names, if you guys dont like the "Order Of ___" idea then something else could be suggested. The player split between the clans should be done with class/level balance in mind as much as possible. More ... errm, shall we say... enforced... usage of ventrillo or other such software be used to help with communication and keeping a sense of unity. I also strongly believe that we need to strengthen our clan(s) financial power many times over - one idea i've heard from other clans is mandatory donations toward the clan at certain levels, say lvl 30, 40, 45... etc - this will help lower lvl people in the clan who are less able to finance the clan. We definitely need more dwarves, currently we have 0, so we need to recruit more for obvious reasons. I think that the clan treasury should always have a surplus, especially now that many people are finishing off their D grade equipment set, this surplus can make it more convenient to lvl the clan, and also provide a source of money to loan to poorer members and also some people are bound to drop expensive things sometimes, i mean it seems at least one person in the clan goes red every day, and i think it would be nicer to have a clan fund to help them get back on their feet instead of personal loans... anyways, this turned out way longer than i was originally intending, but these are my thoughts, I'm definitely for multiple sister clans as I really dont think it's an option not to if we plan on participating in sieges and stuff, I mean no matter how strong we are or how good our tactics, a max of 40 people is still only 40 people |
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Post by Dave on Apr 28, 2004 12:45:49 GMT -5
This is a lot to think about, but I do agree with Goro that having The Order Of ____ would keep our bonds stronger. We just need to fill in the blank.
We seem to have a lot of people wanting to add, and making another clan now will make the room. If we wait til later then there won't be many solo high level people to add, and many waiting will join other clans.
One thing I was thinking was so current members don't fund the leveling of both Clans anyone moving to Silrev's Clan should get payment of 170k from their replacement in Farinei's Clan.
Alex it is good you became a Orc Mage, because clans need them. You wanted another one, so now we can have one orc mage in each clan.
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Post by qilue on Apr 28, 2004 15:43:12 GMT -5
Im with ya Osi...Lvl 22.90 DE dark wizard...Wont be on til Friday though thats my payday...So Ill PM ya.
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Post by Luinar on Apr 28, 2004 19:01:06 GMT -5
shame it has to turn out this way, but seems we have no other choice, since we're having to accomodate for old pestilence members and new high lvl friends ...
anyway, you know im in osi, years of being in your clan (or the same clan) counts for something.
also, the whole order of ___ thing does make sense, but we have a name already, one we've had for a long time now.
if osi wants to change that its his decision, but i see no need really. =p
so, add me to the list of freaks. ;p
Lu
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Post by silrev on Apr 28, 2004 21:52:47 GMT -5
Hey Kil you going Spell Howler?
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