Dan
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Post by Dan on May 4, 2004 4:28:10 GMT -5
blahblahblabhablhlablahbahb! blhalbahblahblahbalbh!!! BLABHABABLH!!!! BLABLAHBLABBLHABLABHALBHABHALBHALBHALBHALBH~!!!!!!!!!! BLAH!!! blah to you fari!! and blah to you alex! blah alex left.. i still think he left a bit too hastily. To be honest, no one in the clan wanted him to leave. Me for one really didn't want him to leave. why the fuck did you leave alex? Yes i blew up and said "hey fucker if you want to leave, then leave"... I'm a good friend of alex and have been for about 10 years now. He introduced me and goro to the game, and playing w/ you alex is enjoyable. You leaving actually puts a big hole in the clan in terms of enjoyability, socialy, and effectiveness of the clan. So please do come back. Most of us in the clan are your friends, and it's fun playing w/ people you knw, esp. you alex. I'm sure we can work this out, so yeah come back and complain about your shitty ISP. I want more ISP jokes I just didn't want to see u and fari at it any longer. Me and goro have tech majors; he being CS, me EE. Whatever time we find, we use it to play lineage. So any schoolwork escuse we can fully understand. Me and goro try to spend as much time as possible, at the same time balance out time for school in tough majors (and begin to fail classes ) Alex, if you do join olympus, don't hold a grudge against us, as having an alliance with them in the future would be pretty neat. But if you don't join olympus, do so come back. Yesterday during the DV hunts, having an orc mage woulda been very helpful. I'm a a point now where I don't have to solo anymore. Although i'm a bow user @ lvl 33, I have really nothing to save up for except for maybe a maingauge and C grade eqiupment (+3 gastra, manticore set, rip gauntlets, boots of power, helmet, elven set). I have 7 lvls to do that, and I want to do a class change asap, so to do that, i need to party as much as possible, as it is the quickest way for me to level up. Also we're similar lvls, so we can probably hunt wyrms and such. I can solo wyrms pretty effectively, but I have a lot of downtime due to mp drain. Since we're the same lvl, partying w/ you might be better, plus wyrms/medusas give good exp..esp when partied when there's a exp bonus. PS: BOW USERS DO HAVE A PURPOSE IN CLAN HUNTS!!! not only are we insanely powerful for now...we can pull golems for u!!!
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Post by alex on May 4, 2004 5:04:10 GMT -5
on a side note fari gave me the "your choice" whatever attitude soooo here are my choices -
either I see someone take leadership effective now i get refunded my clan fees and I withdraw or as courtesy - keep my clan fees and kick me . . .
if I am gone - good playing with you all special thanks to tessa, freja, and larrs - the only ones who cared, sorry to abandon you, but i dont see myself getting anywhere after lvl 40+ in this clan
if anything i could be a seed for an alliance to the new clan im going to.
the choice is now faris - ive laid out my options if i am to be booted - asap please - i dont want to drag on this clans waiting perioud any longer.
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Post by Goro on May 4, 2004 8:49:03 GMT -5
ok well it's obvious we've got some serious problems here, I dont mean to complain, but I agree that fari is currently not doing his job as our clan leader, then again I have been off soloing pretty much since lvl 31 and not and not really done much with the clan since then... ahh the life of our ... many... bow users.. lol
anyways, this clan has not progressed as well as I had originally expected it would, and castle sieges (which i'm sure is the goal of most of us) basically dont look like they're going to happen if we keep going the way we have been. I'd really like to stay with this clan as you've all been great friends, but then I have to say I would also like to follow alex and suniel since they're my rl friends, esp if any others (freja?) leave.. I'd really like to see at least a solid plan to quickly get this clan back on the right track and to catch up up enough so that future sieging can once again be a possibility.
we all know the sacrifices a clan leader makes, but that's part of the requirements to take on leadership, along with a level of dedication that... well most people (myself included) just dont have - a level of dedication that so far at least, fari hasnt shown
bah, too tired to think, .... post more when i wake up
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Post by Nasurin on May 4, 2004 9:20:03 GMT -5
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Post by Furen on May 4, 2004 11:37:35 GMT -5
Wow, so much built up resentment.
First off, I'd like to address alex's "sacrifice". I was his choice to change classes for a more clan-friendly class, it was his decision to abandon his assassin, but if he expected others to level him just because of that I'm afraid he was expecting too much. He seems to think that it is our duty to level him and make him level 40 but if he doesnt provide any real benefits to those who party with him (and he doesnt want to party anywhere except cruma) then of course people will not be leveling him up all the time. I personally have asked him repeatedly to duo with me and he has declined in favor of staying in cruma or doing other stuff.
About the split and the reformation of pestilence, though I would have liked for us to stay together I respect pestilence's decision and admit that it might have been triggered by the lack of results from me. Nevertheless, we were going to have to split at some point simply because the clan size limitations hinder us serverly.
As for me not playing so much, I've had other stuff going on (some of which I've mentioned to you guys) but hopefully that will work out better from now on. If you want to leave (like alex has mentioned he does) then I respect your decision to leave as well, but I find such inflamatory comments a bit untasteful.
Now, of course, it's my turn to complain. I was harvesting SP at a decent rate until you guys told me that I needed a sword to team up in cruma. Thus I sold my gastra and got myself a sword and what happened then? The times I went to cruma people were already partied and did not want to leave their parties or simply did not want to go into cruma to begin with. I dont mind the fact that all the archer's didnt drop their bows and get a dagger as soon as I got my sword but for you to say that you would have done so is clearly a stretch.
And finally, the question about me giving up leadership. I probably would not have minded doing so if it had been asked nicely. But alex saying (in an IM) "if you dont transfer leadership I will quit" is as far from nicely as things can get. In fact, we were supposed to do some leadership transfering at some point (we mentioned this during CB) so it's not like it was unexpected or anything.
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Post by alex on May 4, 2004 13:24:51 GMT -5
i hate when things get twisted around back at me so heres a couple things to readdress
i would of liked any party if available remember when i first came to mainland - and we were all doing tureks - that was cool - that wasnt cruma - what happened to stuff like that?? I wasnt complaining then?
quote "but if he doesnt provide any real benefits to those who party with him "
heres the irony to that Snoop and Sparon- even after leaving the clan and they being 10+ lvls higher than me, which means i cant provide any "real benefits" - still partied with me on sight. With sparon around - im pretty worthless, but hey they were friends and did what they could do for me. Ken - lvl 45 + gladiator, even knowing that i was clanned, partied with me on sight anyways just because i make him laugh when i run in circles. What use was a lvl 28 shaman to a lvl 45 gladiator - nothing, but the comadrarie was there. I have snoop spar and ken to thank for powerlvling me from 28-33 even though I served no real purpose.
Yes it was my choice - but a clan also needs to understand what type of character an orc mage is and how it is a class that is incapable of soloing effectively. Being taken for granted for 40 lvls then come buff me when we need you for siege really seems a bit unfair. We try to support clan leader because we know it isnt the greatest of role to take- why should an orc mage be any different.
Next case- it is hard to duo with someone thats never online. If anything I remember putting you into more cruma parties - then you getting bored of it and signing off 1 our later. Either way when a palus knight is bow hunting and asks me to go all the way to dragon valley to duo- I took that as a joke.
On cruma and decent xp - please dont give me the cruma story. Fari you know I put you in cruma every chance I got.
quote "But alex saying (in an IM) "if you dont transfer leadership I will quit" is as far from nicely as things can get."
Obviously you dont like to post the whole IM and I hate when my words get twisted. I stated my reasons and then the remaining quote went " too put it bluntly,if you dont transfer leadership I will quit." Please dont try to make me look like bad guy. This is a reality check most needed to the clan right now, and im not being passive about it - that is all.
But most importantly fari - i laid out my 3 choices I need a decision - I dont want to hurt the clan more by extending the 5 day period if it comes to that.
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Dan
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Post by Dan on May 4, 2004 14:05:36 GMT -5
actually, i'm getting insane amts of sp in wyrms area..and i've seen shadow consortium hunt in SoS for sp...
And as for pestilence. I still regard them as a sister clan. and also i thought alex was acting a bit rushed.
K one thing though alex.
A lot of dudes in the clan got kinda sick of your complaints, when frankly it was really your choice to become an orc mage in a clan full of solo'ers (well technically, now only me and psyquon are the only solo'ers ATM after the formation of pesti.)
k i'm sure this can be worked out. WE HAVE 10 SPOTS OPEN. 10 PEOPLE OF WHOM WE CAN RECRUIT WHOMEVER WE WANT. Do i want the clan to be disbanded? no. I was just ranting off against fari due to his inaction of late. But i'm sure 1 week out of 52 weeks in a year is nothing. So i'm not that worried.
Do i want alex to stay? yes.
LET ME ADDRESS THIS AGAIN.
me and psyquon are the ONLY SOLO-ER'S in the clan. the only bow users. we have 10 spots open..TEN 10 TEN 10 10 10 10 TEN 10 10
can we restructure? YES.
now that all of us has calmed down a bit, i owe some apologies first to fari, and the rest of the clan for starting such a messy situation.
we have 10 spots open. almost lvl 3. We can recruit whomever we want. We have a strong ally w/ olympus. If we want, we can use their logo (if everyone agrees and if olympus will let us..i say they're a good sorta "leader clan" and us as support followed by pestilence)
now i want to help pesti get their bq...oh wait doesn't silrev have ours? ugh.
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Post by silrev on May 4, 2004 15:23:42 GMT -5
I was hoping we could all get together to hunt BQ this weekend to get another proof. It should be easier, I have some other level 40 pests that you guys haven't met yet =p.
BTW Manny, the Pest split had nothing to do with you, we would have anyways simply because there are too many pestilence unguilded that would not be able to fit into the guild even at level 4. I have about 10 - 15 guys that wanted to join us, which would have been near impossible without breaking off.
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Post by alex on May 4, 2004 15:38:54 GMT -5
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"i thought alex was acting a bit rushed. K one thing though alex. A lot of dudes in the clan got kinda sick of your complaints, when frankly it was really your choice to become an orc mage in a clan full of solo'ers (well technically, now only me and psyquon are the only solo'ers ATM after the formation of pesti.)"
bit rushed - i think not - its been on a lot of peoples mind and i think it is a reality check that this clan really needs. You wouldnt of made the initial outburst if the case was not true.
here is why i complain - first a rough recollection of a chris rock skit from memory.
Why black crime exists The white man, freed the slaves, he just left him on the streets without clothes food or money - so now what is a negro supposed to do? "we are hungry please give us some food" "we are hungry we're in your lawn" "we are hungry we're at your door" "we are hungry we're picking your goddamn lock" "we are hungry we're breaking down this mother fucking door and taking whatever you got"
now in my case i did not start bitter i kept asking i get ignored politeness is starting to wear off i still get ignored i try to be serious i get ignored now im a whiny bitch and now I get your attention
A person can be ignored for only so long. And by resorting to the bitch role and getting the clans attention is another sign how weak this clans unity is. I rather be bitchy and progress this clan rather than blow a $200 investment and be ok with our current situation.
Sure add people now we'll be fine and dandy, lvl 3 add 5 people still happy. But at the rate fari is moving at, what happens at lvl 4. People who just added will probably be more irritated than me, Pestilence and Titans will be waay ahead of us. And OoC ever winning a siege? i doubt it. With a clan leader who isnt a true tank in the lower lvl tiers - it is impossible that he can hold the statue for 5 minutes.
Once again - Things may improve, but i havent heard anything on progress. People may play optimist now - and you can think of me as a pessimist - but in current reality at the pace which things are going at - im not fronting $200 to never see a siege, except from the sidelines.
I refuse to be weak I cant exist in a clan who does not have the same mentality. I cant exist in a clan who takes my class for granted.
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Post by Dave on May 4, 2004 16:06:43 GMT -5
I sure do miss alot just soloing and trying to stay at the top levels.
I would like to say that I admire Alex for being an Orc Mage, cause it is a good addition to the clan. It is also a class that needs clan support.
The clan wasn't really fighting together cause of all the bows, but I think this will all change now that most of the soloing archers are in pestilence.
I think OoC should go find some good additions for party fighting, like Scavengers for C grades, Buffers, Healers, etc. You guys can be more picky and not recruit any archers.
I know that Farinei can level with the best of them, so he must have had stuff going on. You guys need to stick together, recruit some good members, and start party hunting as a clan.
You already have a Proof waiting, so get new (non-solo) members to join {and have them send payment to members that payed and left =p}
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Post by silrev on May 4, 2004 16:18:20 GMT -5
Ya, you got your wish =P solo-ers are gone, you can start anew.
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Post by qilue on May 4, 2004 17:35:30 GMT -5
cant we all just get along ;P ^^...come on guys take a chill pill and quit being angry at the truth..
SPURS GONNA KICK LAKERS ARSE GO SPURS GO
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Dan
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Post by Dan on May 4, 2004 21:37:44 GMT -5
cant we all just get along ;P ^^...come on guys take a chill pill and quit being angry at the truth.. SPURS GONNA KICK LAKERS ARSE GO SPURS GO> now that you said that...i'm angry now. game 1 was a fluke...i had no idea why they kept dumping it into shaq..why?!..phokking..4th quarter + spurs = kobe time. ugh..what was phil thinking?
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Post by Larsson on May 5, 2004 3:28:00 GMT -5
Not much to add to this discussion, but we all need to calm down and take a beer. While drinking think about why farinei hasnt been playing and why some of us rather party with other ppl even when we could have a full party of our own. I hate soloing, I rather party and get less xp/sp. I dont care if we have 6 archers and 3 melee in a cruma party as long as we are from the same guild. I bought this game to play with you guys, not to group with other players, even if I do that sometime. So its not a good idea to even consider leaving for any of you. There isnt any problem that cant be resovled. So dont make this swede a sad swede. Well that's all from sweden. btw I lied, I had some issues to add or is it the beer?
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Post by silrev on May 5, 2004 3:38:13 GMT -5
Gotta get you on my friends list larss =)
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